But in my house, in the middle of the night, what do I care about 50 yard accuracy or the ability to knock over a steel plate or knock a bowling pin off a table? Muscle memory is a life saver when things go adrenaline slow MO mode, and those Taurus, PT-111s, have that thumb safety where Im used to one being, the pipe is red hot, and, eyeball to eyeball, it will fire again without re-racking the rear sights on someones nose. Must not be working on it very hard. Do not get me wrong here as training is vital, that said the real problem is you cant cure stupid, Murphy, or brain farts! But, on the bright side, ammoland just revamped their comment section so comments now dont take days/never to show up. OH NO! Always eith one in the chamber, hammer down and safety off. Since I do not carry(Los Angeles County), my handguns are ready very quickly. if(typeof ez_ad_units!='undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[336,280],'guntradition_com-large-mobile-banner-2','ezslot_5',119,'0','0'])};__ez_fad_position('div-gpt-ad-guntradition_com-large-mobile-banner-2-0');The danger comes from dangerous gun handling and not following safe gun handling rules. Nope. Glocks can be dangerous When they tumble and fall and the natural instinct is to catch. Here's my situation: Carrying the pistol with a round in the chamber freaks me out. Do other people carry Glocks in IWB holsters with chambered rounds? Widen your horizons. I really would like to know if theres a response to my comments. The most likely time a kid will get their hands on my gun is if it somehow gets knocked loose from my [high-quality, proper-retention] holster during movement in tight spaces while I am wearing it. Not carrying a round in the chamber does indeed provide you a 100% chance of not having the gun go off in the holster. In fact, it uses S&W Shield Plus magazines. The NRA store version is about $50+ for the small size. There are a lot of older pistols manufactured without a drop safety feature. It became the norm to carry with an empty chamber. like i said The pistol was designed to be carried with a round in the chamber with the safety on or off as your choice. However, it is not unusual for some new to guns like Glocks to be concerned about carrying a round chambered. I will say this again: If other blogs can do it, then it can be done. By all means, carry what you are competent to handle effectively and safely. if(typeof ez_ad_units!='undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[468,60],'guntradition_com-large-leaderboard-2','ezslot_2',112,'0','0'])};__ez_fad_position('div-gpt-ad-guntradition_com-large-leaderboard-2-0');I, as well as others, have tested and tried to get the Safe Action System, to fail but without actually modifying parts, we havent been able to. The Glock trigger is too light and too short to be safe. Stop buying Glocks. I am the same way, my kids randomly jump, hug or accidentally collide with me on a regular basis. Um, Smith & Wesson doesnt use a transfer bar, they use a hammer block. I will always carry chambered because I keep my fingers where they belong and therefore don't worry about it. More solid irrefutable proof that the Glock is an accident waiting to happen. Like what would happen if the gun was dropped, and then lands on its muzzle. Keep your finger off of it and your should be good to go. Or a DA/SA auto. Apply the 21 foot rule with the holy glock with a round chambered (Im pretty sure that as I was at the Vatican admiring Michelangelos ceiling, it was definitely a glock God was passing to Adam in the famous reclining scene), I bet you you will still lose just as badly. Certified Glock Armorer, Colt Armorer, FN Armorer, Beretta Armorer, Smith and Wesson revolvers Armorer. Farago sells out, the site gets taken over by snowflakes who spend every minute lining up sponsored content, and the content section gets taken over by trolls and vlads. In war or a defensive situation, that will get you killed. You just have to get comfortable with it. Each new design enhanced the pistol and its features. Keep your chin up, youll get it eventually. That chit will get you *illed in a real shtf. So when does your Glock actually have a likely chance of discharging in those two most common klutz behaviors while handling a firearm? without going into details i have it set up that theres no way anybody gets in my house at night without making enough noise for a long enough time that i wont have enough time to wake up and get my wits about me and get my firearm and charge it while on my way to the threat In a SA revolver, the next round is instantly available anyway, whether fully loaded or one short, quicker out of the leather for the first, second, and third shot than any other existing action type. Break into my house and well see how seriously you take a couple .44 mag slugs to the chest. Of course, when I was a soldier, I listened to guys who had been there. Seattle is like a miniature version from a driving perspective. In the 1930's, W.E. While I agree its better to have a round in the chamber, I dont, not at the moment. The Glock 19 is one of the most popular models of Glock that is available on the market. I ran a corner thru the trigger and around the other side up the grip. uncommon_sense: I would hope that, by now, you know whether or not the handgun you actually OWN has a firing pin safety. Of course, I do concede you point, it just that it brought Monty Python to mind and I improvised from there. Over at gunssavelives.net, Dan Cannon has unearthed the SAFE-DRAW system for GLOCK brand GLOCK pistols.SAFE-DRAW gives the Austrian-born pistol an initial 17 pound trigger pull. Many people think walking around with a loaded gun is dangerous, irresponsible, and paranoid. In that case, the argument that any gun is better than no gun might be correct but thats as far as it goes. One of the interesting things about that is I can (after clearing) dry fire repeatedly and get a rough visual about how much the aim point moves depending on my grip and finger position. I hope to later, but I just moved to a state that allows it, and our first child just turned one. Torture tests are silly and prove nothing about a gun. Lets talk about the internal safety features and the facts of why Glocks are great handguns.Jordy Bucks well worn Glock 20 is carried daily. You learned something. The overall size of this firearm is much smaller and that shows with a barrel length of 3.43 inches and a slide length of 6.26 inches. Beyond being "The Original" Glock, which won the company favor with the Austrians then the world, the Glock G17 is arguably the most popular Glock pistol model on the planet.. He thinks one big long post thats all one sentence is not a mistake. I can raise and lower the bolt slowly in complete silence. Whats the controversy? All previous exp., was with 1911s my Uncle names Sam loaded me, and the pipe was always warm n cuddly. I once owned 12 of them. I dont believe anyone has the right to keep me from holding, using and appreciating these art forms. Hmm that give away means youre at least in your 60s bordering on senility. I have been a revolver guy my whole life, and just switched to a Glock 19 after getting two days of excellent training and realizing I could shoot the Glock better (to say nothing of more copiously) than my old Detective Special. If you want a common username better grab it quick though. 4) In such a rush and excitement even in a holster such as the case in Florida the police officer shot himself and the wall in a school and was clearly not in fear or stressed, so in all counts safety and training cause in the heat of the moment you may grab fast and shoot yourself. Mar 8, 2017 (Edited by Moderator) The LCP II is just as safe to carry as any striker-fired gun on the market without a thumb safety, including every Glock and most M&P's etc. Yet, most of us will also admit that we sometimes make mistakes while driving, despite all the practice/training. This means that if the hammer is carried down on a live round, the firing pin will still not be able to touch the primer, even though the hammer is sitting right down on the pin. That was back in the 1970s somewhere. Normally, empty chamber carry adds an average of maybe 2/10ths of a second. Thats all Colt added to the series 80, the internal firing pin block. 1; 2; Next. I have a Sig DA/SA, fully loaded no problem. I got them after watching the best experts I know of, champions, and their green light review. I could give you many other identical examples of Glocks going off while the owner wore them or handled them. The ground is about the best bullet backstop one can get. As for the replicas, these are hit-and-miss when it comes to carrying on an empty chamber. Bet you still get stabbed. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. * Glock 17. Two motions will always be quicker than four, unless one can somehow arrange to do all four simultaneously. However, there still isnt a compelling reason to carry a gun or keeping one for home defense that isnt loaded which cant be gotten around with a bit of training, a bit of brains, or a bit of extra gear. Yes. Agree with the author 100%. I carried it un-chambered for a few weeks till I was comfortable. One near each upstairs door and one near the basement door. JavaScript is disabled. He thinks. Please note Im not saying glock = bad. 21 foot rule gets those people every time. A GLOCK is a striker fired pistol with about a 5.5-pound OEM trigger pull that has incorporated into the trigger--in the form of a lever--and when it is engaged blocks the trigger from moving rearward. My bedside gun is always a DA revolver. Almost as good as a ball peen hammer. I've never been to the range with you and I know . It was called Fractured Fairy Tales, The difference between you and me is I am real you live in a virtual reality world oh and btw dummy they dont call it Glock perfection for nothing, Your rants always remind me of that long ago cartoon show. The reason was that there wasnt anything between the hammer and either the nipple or the primer of the cartridge. Somewhat different than in rural MS tho, speaking as one who attended a full auto shoot at a local range about a month ago. So, as DG said, its a problem in search of a solution. I forget just how stupid people like you really are your response is so childish and you carry guns I hope you dont blow your face off looking down the end with six letters grow up. Picture if I was to just strike a primer laying on a hard surface, with a hand held hammer, manually. An officer was chasing a man down a stairwell with his pistol drawn and the man was shot, but apparently, he was not actually a criminal. COPYRIGHT 2021, THETRUTHABOUTGUNS.COM. All the out of battery safeties do is, in one way or another, block the hammer from providing that energy to the pin until the gun is fully locked into battery. As I mentioned elsewhere here, the trigger pull and safety mechanism are irrelevant to the *proximate* cause of any Glock discharge Im aware of. Carrying a Glock 26 or 27 in "conditon 1" (chambered) is comparable to carrying a loaded S&W Jframe revolver. Considering how many types of expanding ammo my plethora of 1911s did not work very well with I gave up on them long ago. Those who defend not carrying a round in the chamber preach about it's safety. Clearly not enough to train for scenarios where chambering a round can be life or death. I find myself walking around with my hips thrust foward, flinching away from the gun. Use whatever gun you want. My home defense guns are locked and loaded ready to go. But now at my age I know me and I know my weapons and youll be gambling with your life if you engage me thinking you know whether there is one in the chamber. 3.Is it Safed to Carry a Glock With one in the Chamber - Gun Tradition. You can also watch plenty of guys who have never once needed their guns in a confrontation, yet shot themselves because they kept one in the chamber. I always wanted to see in a western someone who knew he was about to get into a gunfight slip that 6th round into his Colt SAA. Its funny how a pimp like VLAD TEPES is accepted and sometimes glorified for his rhetoric of cut and paste (fake news) values but a person who simply chooses a different way of carrying is villified and demonized by those who scream for personal freedom. But youll likely carry for years and years, manipulating said weapon an uncountable number of times in the process. U.S. Maybe I counted wrong? That doesnt mean you can ever fool around with one. Have you ever negligently ran a red light? . Carrying on an empty chamber is probably one of the most common beginner mistakes I hear. And so it is when carrying a Glock as well. Did dad work for a local Florida PD not to be named? Kind of like Youtube is determined to censor everything but SJWs and cat videos. The Series 80 was a solution in search of a problem ie, it was created by lawyers. If you forget to check the chamber just one time in you life its Sayounara . Hell, try it with a taser. Absolutely. Go peddle your homosexual fantasies elsewhere. In the case of a fast draw in a conflict, you dont have time to check, but you still have time to keep your finger out of the trigger guard. Does the Glock fire then? They have defense of the State, of their comrades, or of other citizens. Again, though, training is the answer. The hammer connects with a firing pin thats integrated into the frame, which strikes the primer. The Glock 43 is VERY close in size to the Glock 42, but chambered for that 9mm cartridge some people demand - or at least don't frown on like they do the .380ACP. Which gets me to this. Empty chamber carry is dumb. Let the flaming begin, No flame. 2 you may forget to chamber Kathy Jackson suggests that doing this safely comes down to two things, equipment and habits. IOWs, pathetic sheeple. For those of you that don't know, "Israeli Carry" is the practice carrying a pistol without a round in the chamber. JavaScript is disabled. I submit extremely unlikely. So, there are at least 2 actions required to get a round to fire after removing it from a pocket. This site is a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for sites to earn advertising fees by advertising and linking to Amazon.com. Theres simply no point in carrying an unloaded gun. So Move. PS: I have never had an ND with my EDC G23 chamber loaded these past 22 years. I agree about the Colt SAA. Why would you do that more in a Glock than in *any other firearm*? Thats a lot more true to life (in my admittedly inexperienced opinion) than most movies, especially westerns. A un-chambered carry gun is useless. Which, of course, is why its better to keep your self-defense gun be it a concealed carry pistol or home defense gun or whatever with a round in the chamber. They say tomato, I say Condition 1 Because that argument is stupid in the first place, because the entire discussion is about *carrying* not about whether you should carry. Perhaps if someone drops their gun from two stories up and it lands muzzle down on somebodys head? I now carry without it, with one in the pipe. Anyone who believes otherwise is delusional. Usually for at least an hour or so. When I was new to guns I bought a DA/SA pistol with safety/decocker because I lacked the confidence to go with a hot gun without the safety, never fell for the empty chamber myth as a safe way to carry, always thought it was a sure way to get killed.. Once I was confident enough, now I only carry a gun without a safety and it always has one in the pipe, always carried in a holster. I think they heard how bad its getting over here and want to provide a better place to be, so that TTAG will be left with nothing but trolls and snowflakes. whenever anyone posts on this page: Just the easier reloading of the old Ruger 3 screw models (or any other regular types like the Colt SAA) vs the new ones, makes up for that one extra round, at least IMO. I do not carry a Glock and sorry 1911 fanatics I would only carry a 1911 with the hammer down (series 80) and chamber empty with a Series 70 and since I do not like to carry any gun with the chamber empty that is why I do not carry any longer my series 70 and pre-series 70 (original 1911) . Even my beloved Browning High Powers (all 6 f them) gave me fits until I found some expanding ammo that would work reliably in them. If something else provides that energy to the pin, the primer wont care whether its in a chamber or not. Heres a news flash, ever since Adam and Eve ate the serpents apple were all fallible. He has earned black belts in four martial arts and is a certified Krav Maga instructor. Both have pros and cons the secret is you must be well versed to bringing your gun up to the level of lethal quickly. Just do what you are comfortable/confident with and what is best for your individual personal situation. PS: There was a 12 yo kid recently that subdued an attacker with a common socket wrench after Dad missed 39 times with a pistol. . Wait a second, so youre telling me that I shouldnt keep my home defense gun in condition 3 but instead have it in condition 1 and put it in a lock box? Each new design improved the handgun and its features. An insignificant cretin crying for attention in a world that has left him far, far behind. All are coded alike, but each has a different weapon in condition 1 ready to go. Dani: . The guns must of been 1911s or Browning HPs or similar SA only. An old retired civil servant who used to clean toilets in a federal building living off a small pension and social security. A little background: When Israel was founded, "drop safe" firearms were not as common as today and the fledgling state had a mixed bag . Absolutely YES!! Never mind the others. Introducing an unchambered firearm means you only have one hand, at best, firmly gripping the pistol. I thought it was just the cops and regulars of the IDF. As long as you use some sort of holster that covers the trigger, and keep your finger out of the trigger area, leave the 19 in the holster, unless its needed, you wont have a problem. Its kind of unneeded though, because inertial firing pins can only build firing inertia on their own if the whole gun accelerates, and then stops suddenly. No, but it requires that everything go right when theres a higher chance of something going wrong. Is A Glock Safe To Carry Chambered. Because they have no external safety, Glocks are quicker to draw and fire. I only know my own lifes experiences, fwiw, too many LEOs cant hit chit no matter what the tool, and Im an honorary. . For those afraid of carrying cocked and locked or striker-fired guns, the XD-E is a better choice than chamber-empty carry. OMG I love those old Fractured Fairy Tales shows! Always, recent training with Instructor who suggested to always carry chambered. I would like to carry at the ready, but doing so really gives me the heebie-jeebies. Ehall my pistolas are chambered with the safety engaged-at home. Now that we know what it means to have one in the chamber, let's figure out whether it is safe to carry a "loaded gun" with you. Dont you dare break the three rules of safe gun handling. Hell, Colt still makes the Single Action Army. I left it in my series 80, but a gunsmith can easily remove it if desired. Carrying A Glock With One In The Chamber. I carry a LC9, no problem. You know, due to the stress of OH MY GOD SOMEONES BREAKING INTO THE HOUSE AND HES GOT A GUN! Situational risk assessment. Glock 23 Handgun. I help equip people with knowledge and skills so they can be safe and effective with firearms. If anybody could advise me, I'd be grateful. Or would it it take more movement of the slide to do that before an impact could trigger potential discharge? The Glock Gen 4 and Gen 5 models have actually ended up being popular with civilians and self-defense shooters alike. Ask the famous Black Athlete Plaxico Burress that did that in a New York restaurant a number of years ago. (Some chance remains, of course, given extraordinary circumstances that can be described but have statistically no chance of happening.). So you are in reality arguing that if someone makes a *negligent mistake*, the Glock is more likely to discharge than another firearm. Of course my Smith .38 has EVERY chamber with a round in it. The G44 was thoroughly tested with a wide variety of ammunition to ensure maximum performance and . Guns in my bigger safe are in condition 3 (AR rifles and defensive shotguns), except for my SAA revolvers are empty as I dont consider them as a defensive weapon (my hunting rifles and shotguns are empty too), mainly because both have 8 1/2 barrels and were used for silhouette shooting when I was younger. And being that I am a Veteran the simple act of 1 second as I draw is a negligible amount of time just like the BS of you can only have a 10 round magazine but you can carry as many magazines as you like try it one day drop a mag change it takes less than 3 seconds.
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